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Innovations that you named and there are so many more that they’re connecting with to find out how they can maximize their involvement and maximize their concern.
You know what Debbie Walsh , it’s interesting the way when smooth put that when women find their voices are ready to move to actually you’re just during my 30 odd 40 odd plus years in in journalism so many women that I’ve covered started out as advocates for something close to that. Maybe their kid had a learning disability , maybe there there was a problem on their you know what the garbage pickup on their street or whatever they seem they always avoid it you know me , in my experience pence more motivated by particular issues .
You know , that’s exactly what we found in our research that we’ve done. When we looked talked to men and women who serve and state legislatures and we asked them why they ran for office in the first place . We’re really trying to get out . What motivates people to run for office and the man tell us that they’re interested in what motivated them was a longtime interest in politics and a career in politics as women tell us that it’s a policy issue and I think what it really boils down to is that men run could be somebody and women run to do something and that’s what gets them to run for office in the first place and I think speaking to . I totally agree with what Wendy was saying before about what has spurred this fine big women are angry , they saw the election of Donald Trump , they are worried about issues that affect their families , their communities them their lives and the planet , and they are looking for a way to have a voice and they feel that now more than ever they cannot sit out on the sidelines . They cannot let somebody else to do the politics part , they have to be the ones stepping up and thinking about talking about running for office themselves .
You know , it’s interesting. There’s a subtle subtlety in what how Donald Trump motivated I need some are motivated by what they see is negative qualities in President Trump others are inspired that he could get elected at all , without much of a reserves and civic leadership right w-out , I mean right when he .
You know , one of the things that we have heard so often is that women have to prove their qualifications when their candidates. There’s sort of an assumption of qualified a qualified for men who run and women have to prove that . And I think that this past presidential election was such a reminder to women of of that this whole issue of the woman who shows up with the perfect resume right for the job . And then there is the man who shows up for that same job clearly lacking in the cocaine kind of qualifications but somehow manages to get the job and I think that was part of the frustration and the anger that we saw in response to that in addition to the host of policy issues , and I think , in addition to and I think we have to talk about this , the misogyny in that campaign , particularly at the end with the Access Hollywood tape .
The crotch-grabbing take right , yeah.
We have I think a lot of women really felt that oh well now this can’t possibly happen right America can’t elect somebody who can say this in public , and guess what we can , so that added. And that really fueled this fire that I think we’re seeing .
You know what Debbie I completely agree , and I have to say after the election. I was actually worried that for women . The lesson with BP . No matter how hard you work no matter the qualifications that you hold , you still have limitations and I am so over fresh to see that that’s not be actual outcome that women actually began to see that outsiders can make it in . Right , yeah . And that you can be innovative and create and make your way and at the same time thought on one front , we are definitely seeing women take that approach and Debbie very familiar with this research and some of their colleagues who worked with our cop her organization have been looking at this question for quite some time , is that we still see the familiar patterns in this last election cycle , we saw women geared up at the very local local local level and we’re still digging through the results across the nation to see all of the various city councils and the school boards that women were elected to the Commissioner offer offices , which is very difficult data to get a hold of but we’re mining through that you know as we speak , but we’re seeing the very familiar patterns that women have always used in politics , they will start at the very local local local level and understand themselves is getting in on the ground floor and they have to get experience at the local level , will run for the school board and then I’ll run for the city council and then I’ll Ryan and the list goes on and on . And the trouble that we see with that approach is that if we take that approach . We’ve got some incredible stars who are serving at the very local level who really need to be in very high profile leadership position they’re stuck well all there’ll stuck but climbing too slowly through the ranks right you know going to take a step by step .
I actually think this election cycle. Wendy and I’m happy to start to feel little of this war . A lot of first time 2 candidates running for those state legislative seats in Virginia . Yes . New Jersey and we’re seeing it . When we looked at the women who are thinking about running in 2018 , a really large proportion of the women who are saying now they want to run in 2018 were were like double , it’s not more than double the number that we saw 2 cycles ago a lot of these are first-time to candidates . So we may I you know all the research that we did for so many years that showed us that when they needed to be asked to runway remember just wake up one morning and run . I think women are waiting around it won’t be a good , they’re just running .
There’s. There’s also the issue of running in failing and that being that you know that women tend to walk away after the first failure men don’t .
Well I smooth. Well , one of the ways that I see the kind of larger women in politics community attempting to counter that . And I think this also Debbie speaks to your point about the first first time can first time candidates is that the organizations that you talked about before doing Canada trainings part of the message and is one of the organizations that and we’ve been very successful in doing Canada training particularly in New Jersey and we’re seeing great result for congratulations Swiss bank superhero here Center for American Women and Politics a record a roads are the of exciting but one of the things that we’re hearing one of the messages that come through in those trainings is that you could fail : the first time , right . And it’s okay to feel the first time because out of that failure what you gain is name recognition and the next time you run . People are looking for , they see your name . They know they recognize you and that’s an important and powerful tool for any candidate who’s running well . What if you’ve .
Field whatever what are voters see thinking Debbie Walsh when they see that name again. Are they thinking oh . She really wants us well .
I think I think what it is is that one of the most powerful things that you , as when he was just saying the most powerful assets that you can have when you’re running for office is name recognition.
The matter really matters , too. If you run and you run a good raised and that you you know you have a good reputation coming out of the race . Don’t walk away , come back and use that asset that you have built from that first campaign but I also want to say that one of the things that we found in this really believe on that Wendy was saying when we worked at the Virginia races . You know , we were really skeptical about the numbers , because we saw a huge increase in the number of women who are running for the Legislature in Virginia in this last cycle but in and it was very heavily on the Democratic side and also all of this increase that we’re seeing as all happening on the Dem a .
Right. And I want to talk about them to go ahead .
What we , what we saw was oh the vast majority of those women who were running were running as challengers and normally we would say. And we were always you know the conventional wisdom is that challengers win 90 plus percent of the time it that’s our incumbents .
Well you know okay well Professor think we don’t.
Challengers challengers. That is the uphill battle . You know you not want to be running for those seats , but what we saw at the end of the day was that 30% of those challengers one of their elections . So we’ll delete these women really defied conventional wisdom and it feels like the conventional wisdom that we all have been following for so many years is over will be out the window and it’s what sort of I think presents a bit of the challenges we look at and look at all the women who are running in 2018 . We can’t just say oh well those women are running as challengers , they’re not gonna make it you know maybe that made without a throw little that out to file all that conventional wisdom and say run for some of those seats that seem a little un attain .
Well , again it’s that other effect of Donald Trump , isn’t it , that an outlier.