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The age range , was kind of limited compared to what we know today , so it was basically boys from about 11 to 1415 years old and so the big concern was that boys wouldn’t wanna be part of a movement with Girls that it would be considered. You know I’m not very adventurous or you know they didn’t really wanna hang out with the Girls that was , that was a big concern and then asked they got closer to the older range . There was obviously concerns about mixing boys and Girls in camps and you know fears about sexuality in particular . So I think the idea was that it would be hard to attract boys if there were Girls in the movement and that you know as the movement progressed it might be troublesome .
You mentioned at the scouting movement started in great Britain as we move over , you know 100 years or so how have scouting groups changed a bride. Now that we’re talking today about this idea that the Boy Scouts of America will accept Girls .
Well , a lot of moments have have become co educational so you know , at the beginning the 2 moments spread separately Boy Scouts in Britain spread worldwide Girlguides which that’s what they’re called him great Britain also spread worldwide but separately and probably for the past oh gosh it’s about 30 years now.
Many other countries have merged their moment center co educational who organizations. Some of them have retained the ability for local troops to remain single facts as well as having mixed sex troops . I think that the idea was to keep the kind of flexible so that , according to local customs . You know , it might be more appropriate . You know , before one trip to be single-sex and one trip to be mixed . So they’ve they’ve kind of played with the formula , little bit in different countries and examples Turkey where they allow both mixed sex and single sex troops and in the scouts .
Oh , tell me when we talk about the evolution of the Boy Scouts and Girl Scout here in the United States , how have these groups evolve differently.
Well , the whoever as I said came separately to the US and from the beginning they really set out on different paths. They had both have very strong leadership both felt very strongly in the single-sex organization of the 2 movements and proceeded accordingly . I think that that’s really the last 50 years or so . You’ve seen some pretty wide swings between the 2 moments the Girl Scouts are considered to be a much more urban focused movement they’ve pushed the boundaries a bit they supported Equal Rights Amendment in 1975 per incidents often betrayed themselves as a feminist movement they’ve done work in juvenile detention centers . You know they really have tried to kind of push the boundaries of what their original image was the Boy Scouts have and a reputation as being much more focused on the West both urban and rural areas . They have an association with the least Utah with the LDS church there I think have been seen , particularly since the Supreme Court ruling in 2000 where they were , you know sort named private organization . They’ve been seen as a more conservative organization and the Girl Scouts .
And how has that prompted parents you either accept or maybe not be as interested in having their children both it involved in the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts as a girl scouts see more progressive , and as you said , maybe the Boy Scouts appeared to be more conservative.
Well , I think in both cases it’s created splinter groups. So you know in the Girl Scouts , especially about the last 10 years , there’s been these kind of alternatives growth got groups that have grown up . I would say mostly in the Midwest and these are groups that want to portion of the Girl Scout program . You know they went camping and service and you know activities and civic engagement but they want to remove what they think are the political biases of the moment and in the same way . I think the Boy Scouts scene you know there was a pretty large splinter moment after the 2000 case of scouts , they were pushing for acceptance of gay scouts into the moment and so you know , in both cases I think they’ve seen challenges to this stance that they’ve taken at the national level .
This is where we live on the phone with me Tami Proctor department head and professor of history at Utah State University she’s of Scouting for Girls , a century of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts co-editor of frontiers youth and the Scouts movement movement’s first century I tell me what is your reaction to the Boy Scouts America‘s announcement.
Well , you know , I think it’s it’s then something on the horizon for a while. They’ve been talking about doing , ads and in fact , you know the boy scouts and allowed Girls in 1969 after at the venture Scott level . So the older scouts . So it’s not like Nelson and to hire early new thing for them to do so and Canada . You know , for instance , has has a co-forgot momentum as well , so it’s it’s not entirely surprising . I think that the timing is , you know it’s it feels a little bit like a turf war with the Girl Scouts . The way it was announced and the timing of the announcement , given that just got numbers have dropped and there’s been some controversy about you know their announcement that they were gonna allow gay Scouts and the Girl Scouts reaction of course pointed had . So I think it , you know , from my point of view it would have been better if the or organizations could have found a way to work together if they were gonna create something co educational . I think in the countries with where it’s worked best that’s what’s happened .
You mention also in other countries. There have been mergers of these 2 youth organizations . Is that possible . In this country , given again what since the news broke . There have been some strong criticism of the Boy Scouts of America and and announcing that saw some opinions and our kids that the Girl Scouts with this is undercutting their organization all based on membership . Can you talk a little bit about that .
Yeah , I think it would be really difficult given the histories of the 2 organizations , they had a contentious relationship for a long time. You know that even they fought legal battles over trademark issues in the 1920s and you know , after the announcement , 1969 the Venture Scouts game where Girls were allowed to the Girls got kind of double-down on the fact that they were single sex organization that that had the best interests of Girls at heart , then I think we’ll see some similar kinds of reactions to them over the next few weeks . And so , yeah , I’m not really sure is business . Barring a really good negotiator and how they would , how they would do this . Plus , you know , they have separate financial structures and headquarters and you know it will take some work for them to merge .
What are , what is the value of of these single sex youth organizations today Tammy there is there’s I was at the jury’s out whether single single sex education is necessarily a good thing depends on the perspective of the parents and the educators.
Yeah , well you know I think what the Girl Scouts would say is that we live in a world where it’s still important for Girls to have a place where they can express themselves and and gain a sense of self worth and rely self reliance given the obstacles that they might still face it’s been interacting in a co-educational society that you know that they they need to gain some skills and a single sex organization is the best place to do that. I think the Boy Scouts were counting down and say , well , you know we’re we’re all aiming for the same thing . This is all about character building and it’s good for both boys and Girls experience isn’t it you know these programs and just how direct video and character building service schemes . Together they’re probably quite a few Boy Scouts and we’ve got leaders who are not gonna beat out open having Girls so you know it’s this could be interesting to see how plays out .
I wonder they read a tweet from a listener ban rights as an Eagle Scout , I support the decision and should not be gender. I want to thank Terry Proctor again department head and professor of history at Utah State University and I want to thank you again . She writes Scouting for Girls , of a Scouting for Girls , a century of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts co-editor a astounding frontiers of youth and the scouts movements first century Tony . Thanks so much for your time today .
I appreciate it , thanks.
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