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States have been enacting not New York. So it’s an effort by proponents to go back to the days of Roe vs Wade and not keep up with the Supreme Court in what the court has said in recent rulings .
So there are some other , there are some other folks who are saying that the H A also in Naples more people more more health care providers to provide abortion services. And that , that’s also problematic . Can you explain why that might be a problem if a nurse practitioner or a physician’s assistant is allowed it to provide an abortion .
Well , right now our statutes and our state health code says that only a duly licensed physician can perform an abortion. So that would be wiped out by the Reproductive Health Act , and so it would allow anybody that the state education department licenses and the Health Department approves to perform an abortion that would conceivably include as you say , nurse practitioners physician assistants . It would stand to reason that those are professionals who have less training and less experienced than physicians , so we find that to be dangerous and certainly of concern , but that’s just one of the elements that we find concerned Tom tells me . New York state right now has double the national rate of abortion . So we are , you know you have the nation as a whole is at this rate we’re double the rate of abortion so abortion , even though the numbers are going down , which we are so grateful for the rate is still beyond any other state . So we don’t see why the lawyers would have to be expanded or liberalized anymore than they already are one of the things I find particularly egregious in this law is that in this proposed bill . I mean is that they’re going to remove from our statute . The only crime that we have on the books for involuntary or coerced abortion against a woman’s wear what against a woman’s consent so perfect case is right here in Troy , couple of years ago we had a man who killed his pregnant girlfriend and then set her apartment on fire to cover up its crime , she was 9 months pregnant , she was just days away from her due date . That person was convicted of her manslaughter . The arson and illegal abortion act . The only crime that’s on the books that would give the family some solace that their grand baby there it’s a baby was a human being he got an additional 3 to 7 years on his term for that crime that crime would be wiped out , because it takes abortion out of our penal code . We think that’s unfair it’s unjust .
For families that the people who are proponents of this lot of this bill , say that the abortion laws don’t belong in the penal code they belong in the health-code because abortion is a medical procedure.
Well , again , that’s what I just explained is a perfect example of why we do need some kind of a crime for abortion that is involuntary or coerced or compelled against a woman wishes. So we think it has to stay there . Certainly , there has to be some kind of a crime when a baby is taken away a very much wanted baby a woman’s choice is taken away from her .
The Assembly has passed this a bill that you are against many times , I believe , but it hasn’t made any headway in the state Senate , but there is a very narrow control with the Republicans in the state Senate , or do you fear that it could pass. If there is a democratic control in in the state Senate by November in November with the election .
Well let’s put it this way. This bill has been around since Eliot Spitzer . So it was first introduced in 2007 . So we’ve kept it at bay for how many years is that 11-11 and through those 2 years when there was a democratic exact controlled states and so certainly it’s concerning that the margin of pro-life and pro-choice is so narrow . In the Senate , but I wouldn’t necessarily line it up as Republicans against . It’s not that clear . It’s not that clear cut cause we had Senator Diaz for all those years , we have suffer all there right in the Assembly . We have a number of pro-life Democrats over there who vote their conscience . So sure it’s concerning that the margin is that narrow but you know what . As we tell our pro-life people all the time . Elections have consequences .
All right. So you were here last week on the hearings about medical aid in dying and I wanted to ask you about that too , why is your organization opposed to the Dying Bill .
Well , we call it what it is , which is what every court that’s ever looked at. It has called it physician-assisted suicide and we don’t think it’s in the public’s best interest to allow doctors who we trust to give us healing and health care to have literally life and death in their hands . In terms of prescribing a lethal dose of drugs . I’m sure you’ve seen people who are suffering now oh absolutely , and I think that’s the one thing we have in common with the supporters of the bill is that we both want to eliminate and reduce suffering for people we just go about it in very different way , how would you . We are gratified to see the Medical Society of the State of New York come out very strongly against that bill at the hearing last Monday in there’s another hearing this Thursday . So it was a pretty well balanced hearing I give a lot of credit to Mr. Gottfried , the chairman of the committee who is very so I very much a supporter who allowed opponents to testify . So it was a really fair debate , I thought .
Is there a place where people can go to learn more about the work that the Catholic Conference does.
Yes , we have a website which is and why S Catholic.org and why is Catholic , Oregon , people can learn more about all the positions we takes on a vast majority array of issues including criminal justice and housing and poverty and life issues in education issues.
Right. There’s a . But there are a bunch of things that you guys take positions on real quickly . We have time for one more question , do you want to see the Supreme Court hear a challenge to Roe .
I don’t think that’s coming anytime soon. I think eventually yes and eventually . Yes , I would like to see get thrown back to the States let the states decide but I don’t think that’s coming anytime soon .
My guest. It’s been Kathleen Gallagher director of pro-life activities and director of the Catholic Action Network at the New York State Catholic Conference . Thank you for taking the time . Thanks so much .
Support for the Capitol press room is provided by New York State United Teachers Union of professionals and education human services and health care even while joke for cocoa has stood trial and been found guilty of charges linked to the state’s economic development programs lawmakers continued to propose and even pass legislation that expands these programs with no additional oversight the Citizens Budget Commission recently released economic development scorecard that helps break down all these pieces of legislation and where they are in the in the ether process. Yes , the process like you external hard drive , the group’s director of state studies is Dave freed fell he’s here and he has more . Hello , how are you . I’m great Harry you good feeling my age . Thank you . So the state spends $4 billion in taxpayer money on economic development . So , so what’s the problem . Well .
There are a lot of problems. I think the biggest one is that we don’t know if we’re getting our money’s worth . So we have a lot of programs , a lot of money going out the door . Some of it is tax . You know it’s tax incentives . So it’s actually money that’s just not coming in , and we don’t know whether or not jobs are really being created for that , for that expats .
So basically all of the things like the database of deals that has been pushed the greater accountability the subject to foil , all the things that we’ve been talking about on this program that did not pass you’d like to see passed.
Yeah , we. We’d also like to see unified economic development budget where it’s lined out in the state’s financial plan and you could actually see , you know you look on page whatever I , you can see every single dollar that’s being approved as part of that budget there’ll be spent as part of that budget uneconomic developed .
So what did you , I mean it’s not like that , it’s not.
Really , I mean it’s listed out , I mean , I’m not trying to say that the state is hiding how the money is being spent per se. The issue is that it’s not clear where the money is going . Exactly , exactly what programs are getting exactly how much each year so you can’t see sluggers standing at examples and apples . It’s a difficult too . Yes , it’s kind of accounting it’s being accounted a proper proper properly , I would say from you know strict accounting perspective it just not really easy to tell from the public’s perspective .
Nevertheless the the CBC scorecard has identified 84 bills active this session that would either expand existing economic development programs or create new ones , and I’m hoping that you can give us an example of a few.
Sure. And there’s a bunch . So there’s one that would , and this is kind of a , a local economic development bill but it would allow the town of Islip to include retail arm for the entities they get tax breaks retail frequently seen as one of those things where you don’t need to provide tax breaks for you shouldn’t . If you don’t get a good return on your investment there I mean something that’s been numb . It was part of the Empire zones and then got kicked out and it was your heart of the new programs for good reason . There are a number of very specific targeted programs to specific industries there a couple bills that would benefit dry cleaners and nail salons specifically what what would they do what’s to help them deal with some of their environmental issues where they need to clean up and he’s put certain events and these are good things for those businesses to be doing . The question is should the state’s economic development money being being used for those purposes are there not enough dry cleaners are there are not enough now salons around .
All right. Before we get back to this . Just real quickly , maybe you should tell us what economic development money should be spent on well .
One of the main things that we think that their economic development. Soon the spending should be kind of friends around is a good return on investment , so something has to come back to the state exactly and employment is really kind of the , the biggest piece there so everybody .