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Welcome back , we will be continuing our conversation with circuit attorney Kim Gardner in just a moment , but first , here are some of the stories are St Louis Public Radio newsroom is following today a Cole County judges ruled an effort to overhaul Missouri‘s ethics and legislative redistricting laws cannot be on the November ballot. Judge Dan Green ruled today that the clean Missouri initiative , violates the state constitution because it contains too many subjects , supporters of the effort are planning to appeal and state lawmakers have given final approval to create an online course to boost career options in the science , technology , engineering and math or stem professions . Supporters say the measure will improve job readiness for Missouri students . The measure now heads to Governor Mike Parsons joined St Louis Public Radio this afternoon for local and regional news and throughout the day , on our website at SG of Public Radio.org now back to our conversation with Kim Gardner before I asked my next question , I’d just like to invite members of our listening audience too . You didn’t this discussion . If you like . Give us a call at 3 A 28255 that’s for you to talk . Send us an email to target last year Public Radio.org or if you would prefer us send us a tweet it as .
CEO on air. Now back to Q okay . The big story of the last couple of weeks . Your relationship with the police department in this whole extension was thing where does that stand right now .
All right. You know , I really can’t go into details about the exclusion lists , but I mean Police Integrity and critical component of a fair and just criminal justice system in prosecutors . We have to make sure we continue to have their their credibility with law enforcement officers and I mean we basically , this list was created and given by the demands of Commander , we all know that , but I can it go into the explicit details , but I mean we have to make sure that the relationships with the police and prosecutors are on board . I talked with the chief and we agreed to work together . But at the same time , you know , as prosecutors the credibility of polices is crucial for fairness and justice and we have to make sure we continue to work with them at the same time you have to hold them accountable .
Would it be fair to say that relationship is strained now.
I mean I don’t think that the relationship was strained. I think the relationship is , you’re always going to have a contentious relationship with laugh horseman when there’s issues between them , but at the same time , we are not a rubber stamp for a laugh . Well for the police department we actually a value partner and their value partner and we have to work together but credibility is is key to their relationship . And so as prosecutors we have to do our job and we have to make sure the system is fair for everybody .
Well , I think there are many people in the public are confused about what’s going on here. I understand that you can’t talk about details but it’s kind of a he said-she said kind of situation and people are saying well , somebody can’t be telling the truth you because they’re saying different things .
Well , we all know the truth and and like I said , I don’t want to go out of this because the specifics , but unfortunately there Liz was created at the request of Commander sack they’ll less has been created by previous prosecutors all over the country , as well as the former prosecutor Jennifer Joyce. We have to have a way any witnesses whether police witnesses are late witnesses for credibility and that’s our job and that’s what we’re doing and we , we have made a committed effort with the police department to and make sure police officers are given due process , but at the same time we have to do our job to evaluate their credit bill .
Did the police department asked for this list. Yes . And they have it so you have it , and that’s where it says right now , it’s just going to stay that way , that of the list is not going to be made public is .
Yes that due to the court’s order as well as the St Louis Police Union’s ability to make sure their list days it stays where is it basically under a temporary restraining order , which the court ruled on last week.
That , that’s why I ask if the relationship between the 2 sides history now because the police union , it’s gotten into this and you know it’s , it’s the 3rd spoke on the wheel here.
The police union. I mean they people forget the policing and has a jobs to advocate vigorously for individual officers and so their job is always going to be why say there are bargaining unit , but in terms of what we deal with , we deal with St Louis Metropolitan Police Department in all their offices and all high level staff members and we have to have a good working relationship , and to have it to make this issue an issue when this has been done previously , I mean that’s the rhetoric of the police union who basically we’re fight against any regulations or anything like this against what they believe is against any individual officers . But this is not an indictment or anyone . This is about as holding people accountable UN police officers and we’re going to do our job .
Let me change subjects now and and go to the the great. In this case , which I guess is properly FFF are both currently chuckling about that , but that there was a relentless news story that for a long period of time and you of course of right the middle of that .
You think should privacy prosecuted that case.
As thin with you know us bringing charges. I stand with the way we my team handled the case and and I would how it ended up . So I think that right it was a tough case but we did our job and I think we have to hold everyone accountable you know unfortunately had to be the Governor , the former Governor Sir .
Would would you do anything differently now you know did that turn the invasion of privacy. Part of the case . Did that turn on the potential of your testifying because there was groups some concern that you as a prosecutor appearing as a witness in the trial that couldn’t happen .
Well , Mercedes and we all know what happened , but you know , too. I really can’t go into the specifics of the case , but , and we’ll let you know this , you know , we look at trial taxes of the defense team , and there was a trial that that was tried and whether what someone says is successful or not , and we all know what happens . We all know that our victim was credible and I believed in the charge we brought . I believe in the victim’s story and I’ve always believed in the case .
Would you do it again. Yes I work differently . No , I would not . Yeah , okay , well , what was it like for you . I mean you are relatively new to the job . Well you are new to the job was forgotten exactly how many once you’ve been in office there , but what was it like for you going through that with that day after day pounding in the press of this story .
Well , I’m just , when you have access to resources to have a PR team that basically craft the masses of what’s going on inside the courtroom. That’s called strategy of the defense and they did a good job , but we are nowhere happy we know the data days the individuals on their on the case in my office . We did a good job in terms of , you know proceeding forward and Donna best job we could do and I think that we did a great job under the scrutiny . And I think that we have to hold everyone accountable .
It turned on the photo.
You know I can’t speak to specifics , but you know I like I said , I believe , in the case.
Let’s , let’s take a call Christian South St Louis wants to talk about the the grains case of us bring him in. Go ahead , Chris , you’re on the air .
So if you can she talked about credibility and probably people accountable , I’m questioning I started of course record credibility as a consequence of one aspect of the skates and that is when she lied about the notes there it to happen at the end of the video showed if not for taken by the investigator. How did you speak to that who who’s hold you accountable for that . Clearly you lied about it .
Well , I don’t like the word lie but go ahead and respond if he would care.
Well , in their case , there was a discovery issue there was made available to the other side and as I said , the defense has a well-oiled PR machine that can turn every little Discovery issue into something that it was not so that was a discovery issue that that issue was brought forward. And thus , those with the facts .
But there were , it was an issue as to whether or not these notes had been taken that you were aware of that.
And that they were made aware.