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I was completely different. You have people like Harrison Dianne Feinstein in and Maisie who run a web of Hawaii . Other members of the Democratic caucus and say this is absolutely unacceptable and the only way you can get to the truth . The bed is with an FBI investigation . If you remember back during Hill vs Thomas when Thomas first testified he was considered to be a slam dunk nominee to replace Thurgood Marshall , I mean , my God , the thought of a from going Thurgood Marshall declared Thomas . But then when Anita Hill testified a dead when a lot of people said this is you know this offer is another a completely different dynamic to the nomination battle , it was ultimately confirmed but it was 52 to 48 which was the closest confirmation hearing of somebody who was co-confirmed in the in the court’s history .
Yeah. And that does raise the question about the final vote should the nomination go through , should the hearings continue with or without Professor Ford should the committee pass on these this nomination to the full Senate . It’s still not certain that it might pass given all that’s happened .
We are , that is a great question and an important question because remember when the professor Ford’s accusations for or Pervez his accusations first came forward you did have a handful of Republicans. You did have Jeff Flake of Arizona , and Lindsey Graham of of South Carolina Susan Collins and others saying this this hearing this vote should not take place until we have a complete airing of the charges . The question is whether it would Grassley is doing by offering allowing her to testify in biting her just as by does that satisfy the Republican complaints but but she is . I think it’s much now easier for Democrats to vote against Kavanaugh because you know , before it wasn’t about ideology , and then you had these Democrats and ruby red states like ID card camp in North Dakota and and O’Donnell the Vienna , among others , and they say , well , you can’t vote against it because you’ll you’ll pay the price in November but now if the issues about sexual harassment . It always seems to be if your boat a gift for the Democrats to vote no there .
Interestingly , it gives them cover in November that they may not have had otherwise.
I do , exactly. And then the only thing we were asking about is whether any Republicans will break . And as I said you you know if 2 Republicans don’t vote no . It doesn’t matter if all the Democrats they united but no .
Alright. Let’s talk about Donald Trump’s order to declassify some of the documents related to the Justice Department’s Russia probe do you make of that .
This is , you know , I hate to use the word astonished because actually it’s not astonishing the president from the beginning it has been doing.
Talking to the political junkie Ken Rudin , today it’s a Thursday. It’s been a week disrupted . Of course by coverage of Hurricane Florence and right now talking about Donald Trump’s order to declassify some of the documents related to the Justice Department’s Russia probe of course Democrats are saying we will only get part of the story . If you do that and it’s unprecedented to release these documents now and their big questions about privacy and whether or not these documents should be redacted and the redaction has as much to do with the personal privacy of those named as it does with the national security concerns . Ken Rudin you back , I mean you’re I never left . All right . Well , welcome back we dropped you moment , I thought you didn’t think that it’s great to be back . So anyway , what do you make of this astonishing and yet you know served questions of national security . I guess are all embroiled in an intertwined in this right .
It had been doing with the president has been trying to do is basically he’s listening to 12 or 13 or so Republican congressman who will be doing everything he can to undermine the FBI investigation of the probably guess is that vacation he’s listening to the show on how News of the world and who is not listening to the that that the pillars of national security. The intelligence agencies and the FBI and the Department of Justice , even though he doesn’t have an attorney general . But the Department of Justice , where he was saying that you do this , you believe jeopardizes investigation you suddenly make informants more afraid to come forward because they are they will be under their undermined by being public and so look . The president is done for the beginning , he said . Complete contempt for for the James Comey in the edge in the caves in the previous drugs and leave pages of the world and this gives him an opportunity if not to make his case . Well , you have to make his case . And certainly a steady up his base who really argue for the beginning as the president have . This is just a witch hunt and a fake investigation this of course is not deterring Robert Mueller as we saw with the , with the format afford guilty plea . It seems like that would ever is doing is painstakingly slow as it seems , to some people , it is , it’s clear that he knows what he’s doing and you could have all these veto decisions by Trump to make his case stronger among his base that is not deterring Robert Mueller .
It could be good political fodder but again if the legal cases of one of the potential charges is obstruction of justice. This is another more evidence of just that an attempt to put fear in the hearts of potential witnesses so it . It is amazing how this plays out one way politically and legally plays right into the hands of Robert Moore .
That’s exactly correct. I mean if you look up the words obstruction of justice . Again you just looking at this case if you’re looking at collusion remember Paul Manning port within that famous July 2016 meeting at Trump Tower along with Jared Kushner and Donald Trump Jr where meeting with somebody who has ties to Russia who Russia who had damaging information about about Hillary Clinton is that not the definition of collusion well Robert Mueller is is very astute very smart , very thorough he nothing at it . None of this is keeping him .
Talk about who he’s listening to and who he’s not that is Donald Trump , the Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Richard Burr of course Republican in North Carolina. Talk about what he has said about all this .
Well you know so they first of all , when the president Ordinaries there. The declassification of these documents , it’s way even though there’s nothing they can do and of course but but but to his credit , setting the bar has from the beginning , not followed the the footsteps and the the designs of his counterparts in the House . Devon none newness and others who are basically doing chums dirty work for him . Richard Burr and his Democratic counterpart Mark Warner , Virginia . I’ve been very thorough very fair and they seem to be a above politics . I don’t know anybody in public . All this in the senator house could be possibly be above politics . But it seems like wood burning has been doing is laboratory , especially when you compare to the the mark by those in the Devon .
Both well Mark Meadows , you’ve got 30 seconds , but Mark Meadows another North Carolina Republican Representative not on the same page as Richard Burr.
There’s no question about it , marked one of the head of the Health Freedom o’clock with for the beginning has been protecting the president the pending that president and making the case. He said that the FBI and the Department of Justice that is . But in the unethical .
Well , I don’t have time to get to the attorney general mess and the I don’t have an attorney general but can we do have a political junkie and he’s you.
Yes is truth to that.
Well , thanks.
God is transparency on this show.
We’re so grateful. The political Jackie Catherine . Thank you again .
Thank you , Frank.
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